Blackhawks=Combat Chinooks from ZH.

Ok, so here's the idea. Some time ago I've suggested that it would be nice if UH-60's would be given rocket pods, just like MI-8's. Since Blackhawks are almost useless (don't tell me about fast roping, it's almost never been used), I thought that it would be a good idea. It didn't work out unfortuneatly, from what I remember the main reason was engine limitation.

Anyway-here's a new idea: why not give soldiers aboard UH-60's an ability to provide support fire with their rifles and machineguns? You know-just like in ZH, where you have Combat Chinooks. Of course only units armed with rifles/mg's could provide fire support. No LAW's, no stingers. Try to fire one of them onboard of a helo. But snipers, spec ops or officers could be really helpfull to the units on the ground by supporting them with some ammount of covering fire.

This ability could be turned on/off withing the UH-60 micro management screen, to avoid situations where one team is peppering a building with machineguns, from their blackhawk, while the other is fast roping into it, getting slaughtered by their own men. I think Sage would make no problems in thta case. What do you guys think?

Tell me how this can be done with SAGE:

"Of course only units armed with rifles/mg's could provide fire support."

The only option would be to make LAW and Stinger Soldiers not transportable anymore.

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Ok, my bad. Thought this could work. If LAW's and Stinger's would be untransportable it would really ruin the gameplay. Pity tough. :/

'Dummy' turrets, activated when unit become 'garrisoned'

Saw that 'type' in ShockWave, but on ~APC though.

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The dummy turret uses a weapon which is not related to the units you actually garrison in the Blackhawk. In other words, you put machine gunners, riflemen and snipers in the Blackhawk and the dummy turret only fires with the riflemen's weapon (or any other predetermined weapon). As such, we don't think this is a suitable workaround.

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Knew that... but anyway: UH60A is basically equipped with 2x M60 machine guns [ without using mounts for other/ additional weapons ].
Sniping from, even hovering, helicopter is quite discusable even if in 'Black Hawk Down' it was looking so nice..

That all almost 'jump out' to propose to implement dummy turret armed with those 2x M60s, modified only with increased 'spread of rounds' [ to simulate worse accuracy when firing from helicopter ].

In-game turret will become active when someone will enter UH60. It will simulate 'manning' those M60s by carried troops - even in reality there is only one additional member of crew to control them, so 2nd M60 is being garrisoned by one of transported troops - and everything will be fine


PS. That will be even better than finding way to use 'fire ports' to fire only rifles/mg... why? Because imagine UH60 with 8 prone mg's inside flying over battlefield [ and USA base as Humvee are prone to MG's ]

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Post last edited by HaryPL on 03.09.2009, 15:51.

i really like hary's idea. that would be really, really cool if the black hawks could shoot....please

Well honestly I think a non-controlled (i.e. the tank's AA machinegun) to both sides of the helicopter, it was pretty cool back then, and it'd make sense here to cover up the troops and whatnot. This will also make the UH-60 have a second job: covering troops after they are dropped on the battlefield.

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Use the AH-6 for cover, the Blackhawk stays as it is now. Why would you even build the Little Bird (minigun) if the UH-60 came with them AND the ability to carry troops?

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Well, that is true. But it would be nice not to get an extra helicopter (AH-6, Comanche or Apache) as escort for the UH-60 when it flies long distances over enemy territory. Especially since some of the choppers don't fly as "slow" as the UH-60.

Mayhaps if it could be upgrades to carry weaponry at the cost of troopcarrying? Is that codeable?

I understand the no change policy however, and I won't harass you about changes.

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What about we start adding a decaying USSR production facility? After 1 or 2 hours of play, your resources start to get scarce and you have to cope with the fact that the US has more efficient production lines. Now, that'd be realistic.

Try to create a group of UH-60 and its escort unit, you can even try to create a formation (CTRL+F), but I'm not sure whether this works with helicopters. Regarding the upgrade/weaponry for the Blackhawk: It's not easy to implement (correctly), it was done before and removed (for a reason) and it will thus not be featured again.

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CTRL+F works with choppers if someone want to try it, but as always with it: it's more 'air show' than useful tactic.

Acknowledged.

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Wasn´t the Comanche only in Vanilla?

Well, it would be cool and all bur if the Team sais it will not be done because it´s hard (i heard they already tried it anyway) we shouldn´t press them...

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But please can you tell us the reason it was removed?

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Enigne limits. As far as i know: being unable to make dummy turrets fire only with 'selected' angles.

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Is it possible to make only prone infantry enter transports? That would make them use only their primary weapons while transported.And will it have problems with garrisoning buildings?

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[R] seems to have a good idea there. Personally, I think that the idea of troops firing from their transports is a bit 'Indiana Jones.'
If CWC had a mechanism to simulate 'Suppression Fire' , this would be a topic....

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