Tow and AT-5

Hey, i`m host this topic in reason Tow missle more stronger than At-5!
I`m play with livin, and my abrams was destroyed by two shot from 2 tow missles, before this happend i was sure that abrams can`t be destroyed by 2 normal toy shots and didn`t care to used smoke granedes. For AT-5 need 3-4 shoots to destroyed abrams! i`m think this is not rigth, i`m think that AT-5 and humvee with Tow should be equal. or increase cost of Hummer with Tow to diasble players build a lot of tow vehicles.
So my suggestion is decrease(do less) firepower of tow missles from humvees.

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Post last edited by maximka123 on 06.06.2009, 12:59.

Well, a TOW is bigger, has therefore a larger Warhead and a larger Warhead does more damage right?
I hope you follow me there. This Game (i dont tend to use the term Mod) aims for some level of Realism, so when a TOW with its 5.9kg Warhead does more damage then a AT-5 with a 3kg warhead then its all good...
Right?

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Sorry, but.. LOL!
Hey, listen up - Chrinik said it already:
5.9kg Warhead does nearly double the damage of 3kg warhead of the AT-5.
So, it is that way - and it never meant to be same.
Because USSR is meant to be heavier tanks, so USA needs better Anti Tank.

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Originally posted by N00bha
Sorry, but.. LOL!
Hey, listen up - Chrinik said it already:
5.9kg Warhead does nearly double the damage of 3kg warhead of the AT-5.
So, it is that way - and it never meant to be same.
Because USSR is meant to be heavier tanks, so USA needs better Anti Tank.

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may be, but, listen me, abrams moe better than even T-80uk : +10% of armor + 120mm more powerfull than 125mm, so i`m don`t understood what u talking about word heavier tanks

So i`m think and make suggestion: if tow missles still be better than at-5, we need that M1A1 "Abrams" should be less in all points than T-80UK, and M1A1 should be equal in all points with T-80BV

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Post last edited by maximka123 on 06.06.2009, 12:57.

Have to agree with Noobha and Chrinik.
About tanks: I think it is already known that in 482 version it will be balanced again since most players agreed with that.

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Originally posted by raptor6
Have to agree with Noobha and Chrinik.
About tanks: I think it is already known that in 482 version it will be balanced again since most players agreed with that.

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Yeh i`m known Raptor Just tell this again in case to don`t forgot about this suggestions

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Situation with TOW and AT5 will change in next patch without any direct changes.
So till 482 will be released, with these tank changes, we should stop any discussions about ATGM vs Tanks etc.

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Originally posted by raptor6
Have to agree with Noobha and Chrinik.
About tanks: I think it is already known that in 482 version it will be balanced again since most players agreed with that.

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Abrams armor will be reduced to previous stat, or previous +5%.

Only guessing tho, only team knew the truth

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Originally posted by HaryPL
Abrams armor will be reduced to previous stat, or previous +5%.

Only guessing tho, only team knew the truth

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yeh, but may be u known some more? How about firepower of Abrams? This will be also reduced to be equal T-80BV?
BWT waiting v482 to see what changes it will have

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Post last edited by maximka123 on 12.06.2009, 02:26.

Ask team, not me. I'm not one of 'them'

About firepower: even if not totally real-life and not liked by u, i think that M1 main gun should be the 2nd strongest in CWC [ minimum advantage for T80UK or even better - equal stats for both guns].

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I think TOW due to its 2 times heavier warhead should be definately causing about 2 times more damage as it is now. So no need for changes.

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Originally posted by RPG777
I think TOW due to its 2 times heavier warhead should be definately causing about 2 times more damage as it is now. So no need for changes.

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Real situation is:

AT-5 sparandel
Introduced: 1977
Name: AT-5/SPANDREL
Warhead Type: Shaped Charge (HEAT)
Armor Penetration at 0 degree (mm) 650
Minimum/Maximum Range (m) 75/4,000
Probability of Hit (%) 90

AT-5 Sparandel (at the end of the table)

TOW: There is not given in game precise info of what TOW is used. But since TOW hummer is given for free of GP at the very beginning I can suggest TOW is "BGM-71C Improved TOW wich was delivered in 1982 (appeared in 1978 according to wiki) featuring an extended probe for greater armor penetration and an improved motor enhancing the range up to 3750 meters.

TOW
Name: BGM-71C Improved TOW
Warhead Type: 3.9 kg (2.63 kg HE) HEAT
Armor Penetration at 0 degree (mm) 800
Minimum/Maximum Range (m) 65/3750 
Probability of Hit (%) INA


Previous types - XBGM-71A/BGM-71A, BGM-71B had 600 mm armor penetration.
After BGM-71C:
TOW 2 (900 mm) in 1983, TOW 2A/B(1000 mm, 1000 mm <) in 1987. How I already told since TOW hummer is free of GP and already available at first level - it is logic to 'give' him BGM-71C (800 mm).

Literature:
TOW_1
TOW_2
TOW_3

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So now I think that AT-5 (650 mm) damage should be definetely increased till 81 % of hummer TOW damage (800 mm). At-5 two times smaller damage is too far from realism (because TOW with 1200 mm penetration and more were introduced after 1989). Also AT-5 should have a bit bigger max range than TOW and a bit increased min range then TOW. Also hit probability can be icreased till 90 %.